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jeesuss89 · Jan 12, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

For god's sake people, this has nothing to do with real-life situations, WoW, hacks or whatever. You people are insulting every single one of the 117, dubbing them ALL hackers. Every single one of you who have NO IDEA what happened should stfu. You know nothing. NOTHING. Sure, one or two may have hacked, but for the other 115-116, put yourself in there shoes;

Someone PM's you. "Wanna do Mallyx???"

You: "Sure"

Someone: "Have you done the 4 areas before???"

You: "Yeah"

--- After Mallyx ---

You: "Thanks for the run"

Someone: "Wanna do it again???"

You: "Uh, ok, I got time to do the 4 areas"

Someone: "You don't need too. But keep it down"

You: "Kk"

Do NOT BS and say you wouldn't consider it. Maybe not do it, but you would definately consider it. One/two people you can address as hacks, but for the rest who were given an opportunity to make maybe 20k every 30mins.

My only regret is being oblivious and naive.

You can't see me · Jan 12, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

For god's sake people, this has nothing to do with real-life situations, WoW, hacks or whatever. You people are insulting every single one of the 117, dubbing them ALL hackers. Every single one of you who have NO IDEA what happened should stfu. You know nothing. NOTHING. Sure, one or two may have hacked, but for the other 115-116, put yourself in there shoes;

Someone PM's you. "Wanna do Mallyx???"

You: "Sure"

Someone: "Have you done the 4 areas before???"

You: "Yeah"

--- After Mallyx ---

You: "Thanks for the run"

Someone: "Wanna do it again???"

You: "Uh, ok, I got time to do the 4 areas"

Someone: "You don't need too. But keep it down"

You: "Kk"

Do NOT BS and say you wouldn't consider it. Maybe not do it, but you would definately consider it. One/two people you can address as hacks, but for the rest who were given an opportunity to make maybe 20k every 30mins.

My only regret is being oblivious and naive.

I and others don't need to "BS" to say that we would not consider it, as we posess the common sense not to abuse game bugs. People who do not realize that this is against the rules and respect it as much as any other rule deserve any punishment Arenanet gave to them.

You cannot accuse people they would steal a quarter if it was lying on the ground but belonged to someone else. Your thesis is ignorant and makes no point in attempt to stereotype all people who may have been exposed but were not as people who would have considered exploiting the bug.

I'm going to bed. It's too late to deal with people's lack of common sense.

Horus Moonlight · Jan 12, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Kayu Ishida

I cannot stress enough how ludicrous it is to think that all the infamous 117 are greedy, evil, unforgivable hackers whose sole purpose was to exploit a programming error until all their selfish needs were satisfied while all other members of the Guild Wars gaming community were abandoned in the depths of an economic crash. Does that description sound over exaggerated and harsh? Well, anyone who knows the truth will be forced to agree on the fact that it is an inaccurate perception of the real situation, a situation that only Arena Net and the 117 know the truth behind. I ask you, why are the 117 being accused of such atrocities when there was never any hard, solid proof presented to the public that they were really guilty of the crimes they supposedly committed?

Yes, it is possible that some of the 117 that were banned were in fact, innocent. However, it is obvious from previous exploits that there are those who will use an exploit for their own personal gain, whether or not it has any effect(s) on the game. Now, if a person were to find an exploit that could produce great returns, I would bet my bottom dollar that they would use it for their own selfish gains. So does your description of the 117 sound ludicrous? No; not at all.

Now why would any and/or all the evidence pertaining to this issue need to be presented to the public? All it would accomplish would bring closure to the skeptics who believe A-Net is incompetent, deceiving, or both.

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Originally Posted by Kayu Ishida

A veil of imprecision shrouds the definitions of “exploiting” and “cheating”, and now should we add “hacking”? I have had the honor of personally knowing a handful of the 117, and I will not be the first to admit that they are not hackers. In fact, they are so far from hackers, one of them can’t even set up Outlook. Does that sound like a hacker to you? None of them know what .dat files are. Are they still hackers? It is despicable when someone is wrongfully accused of being something they are not, and then the majority of the community exiles the accused and kicks them when they are down and stone then until they bleed. When did we all become liable judges? What justification exists that gives us the right to insult and spell out the fate of the defendants?

Now we are just getting into symantics. The fact remains that an exploit was intentionally abused by a group of people to obtain certain rewards through an obviously easier method.

Was that wrong of them to do so? Yes.

Was it against the EULA? Yes.

Should they get banned? Yes.

Is there a need to add insult to injury for those who were banned? Nope, but that does not mean that it isn't their prerogative.

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Originally Posted by Kayu Ishida

The definite lines between justice and discrimination are now blurred. Who is wrong? Who is right? The people that are not members of the two parties will never know the real truth, so let’s stop fooling each other. Arena Net is not telling the truth, and the 117 are not telling the truth… so where will this arguing get us?

A-Net is not telling the truth? Now what would A-Net gain from just making all this up? So they could ban 117 of their customers without any foreseeable benefit other than being malicious? Sorry, but this just seems like some crazed conspiracy theory you are concocting up.

To those who were indeed banned unjustly, I wish you the best of luck in rectifying this.

vaxmor · Jan 12, 2008, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

You: "Uh, ok, I got time to do the 4 areas"

Someone: "You don't need too. But keep it down"

You: "Kk"

minor leap of imagination: The entire GW community would spl0it these h4x for all theyre worth.

Considering how much QQing is coming from 117 spl0iterz, I reckon ANet were far too LENIENT, I say: Permanent ban for anyone who was on any one of these 177s friend list, too~!

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

My point exactly. So please, I've had enough of people who weren't involved with this event. Either close the thread, or leave it to A-net and the 117.

Saying that everyone else should keep to themselves because "it's none of their business" is rather incorrect. It is an online game with an affected economy (just one of the factors, not the factor) as well as numerous other factors. I play it, so therefore it affects me.

jeesuss89 · Jan 12, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Trust me. The economy was not affected enough to cause a ban of the proportion. Are you saying that bots don't affect the economy enough and A-net doesn't need to do as much about it as the 117??? Please...

maraxusofk · Jan 12, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

Trust me. The economy was not affected enough to cause a ban of the proportion. Are you saying that bots don't affect the economy enough and A-net doesn't need to do as much about it as the 117??? Please...

yes b/c anet has NEVER banned any bots before right?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3043462

jeesuss89 · Jan 12, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

They do, but once these bots make enough profit from that one account by acquiring enough in-game gold, sites sell this in-game funds raised by the bots, a-net then bans the account knowingly that the site will buy more accounts, making a win-win situation for both.

However, this has nothing to do with 117, so please, I don't want to repeat...

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

They do, but once these bots make enough profit from that one account by acquiring enough in-game gold, sites sell this in-game funds raised by the bots, a-net then bans the account knowingly that the site will buy more accounts, making a win-win situation for both.

It's more a lose-lose situation, actually: They can either let the bots go unbanned and acquire large sums of gold, or ban the account and suspend their actions momentarily.

Also, a large amount of bots come from stolen accounts. Whether it's "large amount" or "majority" I don't remember.

jeesuss89 · Jan 12, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

That statement is contradictory.

You say its lose-lose??? How come these sites are still active???

And A-net still gets money for the accounts regardless where they're stolen from the original owner or not.

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

You say its lose-lose??? How come these sites are still active???

Because they, the bots, are hard as hell to stop.

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

And A-net still gets money for the accounts regardless where they're stolen from the original owner or not.

ANet potentially loses a customer if an account is stolen. It really depends on the individual, really, but I for one would not want to have to spend another huge some of cash for all four titles.

danshep · Jan 12, 2008, 08:41 AM // 08:41

I was one of the unlucky ones i lost 2 accounts cos of this.
And btw the people who showed them this glitch also got banned.
wat galie gay said that no one got banned for visiting the area and that is lies cos i got banned for visiting it and so did alot of others.

odly · Jan 12, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I'm really annoyed at how people allways try to find the easy way out. Maybe you didn't all "hack" but you sure knew you were "cheating". You just hoped to get away with it. You might think you're not doing anything harmfull, but I allways find that how people act while playing a game they enjoy during their spare time is a pretty good show of their character.

The Great Ithqua · Jan 12, 2008, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by odly

I'm really annoyed at how people allways try to find the easy way out. Maybe you didn't all "hack" but you sure knew you were "cheating". You just hoped to get away with it. You might think you're not doing anything harmfull, but I allways find that how people act while playing a game they enjoy during their spare time is a pretty good show of their character.

You will be surprised there are some that didnt know it was a bug, i was 1 of them.. believe it or not..its not like that area Says This is a bug area please leave -.-.. if it says that every1 will leave

Lord Sojar · Jan 12, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by The Great Ithqua

You will be surprised there are some that didnt know it was a bug, i was 1 of them.. believe it or not..its not like that area Says This is a bug area please leave -.-.. if it says that every1 will leave

Wow, because clearly you can zone to Mallyx's chamber normally by doing some uber quest right? Over a full year of NOT being able to go there, and all of the sudden with a traveling glitch, you suddenly believe that this occurrence wasn't a bug? Your either not the sharpest scalpel in the biology lab, or your trying to act innocent. I am going to go with the latter out of sheer respect for not trying to insult you.

turin9 · Jan 12, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

I used the exploit and got banned, ya i suck. but the only problems i have are:

-No one got banned for the Guild Hall Travel Exploit, that allowed infinite number of chars to travel to anywhere in the game.

-No one got banned for the Slavers exploit, that killed the EOTN economy and completely dropped the prices of many "rare" skinned weapons, weeks after being introduced into the game

-When the big duping exploit happened not to long ago, hardly anyone besides the original ppl who discovered the duping method were banned, even though thousands profited off of it.

I dont care if they strip my account of everything, all my armor and weapons and money, i dont give a shit. i just want my monk back.

ive spent more late nights and been on more adventures with that lil guy.

and yes im f'ing crying about this, call me a QQer all u want.

im sry

i just want my Misera Cantra Mo/E back

Lord Sojar · Jan 12, 2008, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by turin9

I used the exploit and got banned, ya i suck. but the only problems i have are:

-No one got banned for the Guild Hall Travel Exploit, that allowed infinite number of chars to travel to anywhere in the game.

-No one got banned for the Slavers exploit, that killed the EOTN economy and completely dropped the prices of many "rare" skinned weapons, weeks after being introduced into the game

-When the big duping exploit happened not to long ago, hardly anyone besides the original ppl who discovered the duping method were banned, even though thousands profited off of it.

I dont care if they strip my account of everything, all my armor and weapons and money, i dont give a shit. i just want my monk back.

ive spent more late nights and been on more adventures with that lil guy.

and yes im f'ing crying about this, call me a QQer all u want.

im sry

i just want my Misera Cantra Mo/E back

Did the people who took their level 4's to the Central Transfer Chamber makes bookoos of gems and gold? I think not...

Your guilty, as you stated. Get a new account and don't exploit this time. Simple as that.

And yes, I agree about the dupers. They should witch hunt the 1,000s of other players that performed dupes and ban the crap out of their accounts. I am NOT being sarcastic here, I am dead serious. 1500 armbrace bids my hairy ass!

Slaver's "Exploit" was more like a glitch that was built into the mechanics of the game. No one really realized it was an "exploit" until they told us it was. I used it, was a great way of making money. It still required a lot of effort to do though. The fix is half ass anyways. They should have made a more elegant fix for it, and I don't mean Soul Reaping elegant.

turin9 · Jan 12, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

i honest to god didn't use the the mallyx exploit more than 10 times, cuz i only got one armbrace and had legitimately farmed the previous gems.

punish me by taking all my hard earned money and armor sets, but dont take my monk away from me, jesus

English Warrior · Jan 12, 2008, 10:23 AM // 10:23

Why not unban the people and just have a reroll

turin9 · Jan 12, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Did the people who took their level 4's to the Central Transfer Chamber makes bookoos of gems and gold? I think not...

ps yes they did

ppl were selling trips to anywhere in the game for anywhere from 5k-50k

spamming it in LA, KC, Kamadan, and anywhere else they well plzed